diff --git a/test/scenarios/default.py b/test/scenarios/default.py
index 9efb3c6..453e3dd 100644
--- a/test/scenarios/default.py
+++ b/test/scenarios/default.py
@@ -25,7 +25,7 @@ def web_index():
     assert_matches("curl -L localhost/store", "tshirt")
 
 
-def post_clightning():
+def final():
     pass
 
 
@@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ extra_tests = {
     "lightning-charge": lightning_charge,
     "nanopos": nanopos,
     "web-index": web_index,
-    "post-clightning": post_clightning,
+    "final": final,
 }
 
 run_tests(extra_tests)
diff --git a/test/scenarios/lib.py b/test/scenarios/lib.py
index 7346dd8..8595149 100644
--- a/test/scenarios/lib.py
+++ b/test/scenarios/lib.py
@@ -70,6 +70,18 @@ def run_tests(extra_tests):
     assert_running("clightning")
     assert_matches("su operator -c 'lightning-cli getinfo' | jq", '"id"')
 
+    assert_running("lnd")
+    assert_matches("su operator -c 'lncli getinfo' | jq", '"version"')
+    assert_no_failure("lnd")
+
+    succeed("systemctl start lightning-loop")
+    assert_matches("su operator -c 'loop --version'", "version")
+    # Check that lightning-loop fails with the right error, making sure
+    # lightning-loop can connect to lnd
+    machine.wait_until_succeeds(
+        log_has_string("lightning-loop", "chain notifier RPC isstill in the process of starting")
+    )
+
     assert_running("spark-wallet")
     extra_tests.pop("spark-wallet")()
 
@@ -104,7 +116,9 @@ def run_tests(extra_tests):
     pre_restart = succeed("date +%s.%6N").rstrip()
 
     # Sanity-check system by restarting all services
-    succeed("systemctl restart bitcoind clightning spark-wallet lightning-charge nanopos liquidd")
+    succeed(
+        "systemctl restart bitcoind clightning lnd lightning-loop spark-wallet lightning-charge nanopos liquidd"
+    )
 
     # Now that the bitcoind restart triggered a banlist import restart, check that
     # re-importing already banned addresses works
@@ -113,25 +127,7 @@ def run_tests(extra_tests):
     )
     assert_no_failure("bitcoind-import-banlist")
 
-    extra_tests.pop("post-clightning")()
-
-    ### Test lnd
-
-    stopped_services = "nanopos lightning-charge spark-wallet clightning"
-    succeed("systemctl stop " + stopped_services)
-    succeed("systemctl start lnd")
-    assert_matches("su operator -c 'lncli getinfo' | jq", '"version"')
-    assert_no_failure("lnd")
-
-    ### Test loopd
-
-    succeed("systemctl start lightning-loop")
-    assert_matches("su operator -c 'loop --version'", "version")
-    # Check that lightning-loop fails with the right error, making sure
-    # lightning-loop can connect to lnd
-    machine.wait_until_succeeds(
-        log_has_string("lightning-loop", "chain notifier RPC isstill in the process of starting")
-    )
+    extra_tests.pop("final")()
 
     ### Check that all extra_tests have been run
     assert len(extra_tests) == 0
diff --git a/test/scenarios/withnetns.py b/test/scenarios/withnetns.py
index 3ae3f0c..bc6f9f5 100644
--- a/test/scenarios/withnetns.py
+++ b/test/scenarios/withnetns.py
@@ -9,6 +9,7 @@ lightningcharge_ip = "169.254.1.18"
 nanopos_ip = "169.254.1.19"
 recurringdonations_ip = "169.254.1.20"
 nginx_ip = "169.254.1.21"
+lightningloop_ip = "169.254.1.22"
 
 
 def electrs():
@@ -46,7 +47,7 @@ def web_index():
     assert_matches("ip netns exec nb-nginx curl -L localhost/store", "tshirt")
 
 
-def post_clightning():
+def final():
     ping_bitcoind = "ip netns exec nb-bitcoind ping -c 1 -w 1"
     ping_nanopos = "ip netns exec nb-nanopos ping -c 1 -w 1"
 
@@ -54,6 +55,7 @@ def post_clightning():
     machine.succeed(
         "%s %s &&" % (ping_bitcoind, bitcoind_ip)
         + "%s %s &&" % (ping_bitcoind, clightning_ip)
+        + "%s %s &&" % (ping_bitcoind, lnd_ip)
         + "%s %s &&" % (ping_bitcoind, liquidd_ip)
         + "%s %s &&" % (ping_nanopos, lightningcharge_ip)
         + "%s %s &&" % (ping_nanopos, nanopos_ip)
@@ -63,6 +65,7 @@ def post_clightning():
     # Negative ping tests (non-exhaustive)
     machine.fail(
         "%s %s ||" % (ping_bitcoind, sparkwallet_ip)
+        + "%s %s ||" % (ping_bitcoind, lightningloop_ip)
         + "%s %s ||" % (ping_bitcoind, lightningcharge_ip)
         + "%s %s ||" % (ping_bitcoind, nanopos_ip)
         + "%s %s ||" % (ping_bitcoind, recurringdonations_ip)
@@ -70,6 +73,7 @@ def post_clightning():
         + "%s %s ||" % (ping_nanopos, bitcoind_ip)
         + "%s %s ||" % (ping_nanopos, clightning_ip)
         + "%s %s ||" % (ping_nanopos, lnd_ip)
+        + "%s %s ||" % (ping_nanopos, lightningloop_ip)
         + "%s %s ||" % (ping_nanopos, liquidd_ip)
         + "%s %s ||" % (ping_nanopos, electrs_ip)
         + "%s %s ||" % (ping_nanopos, sparkwallet_ip)
@@ -94,7 +98,7 @@ extra_tests = {
     "lightning-charge": lightning_charge,
     "nanopos": nanopos,
     "web-index": web_index,
-    "post-clightning": post_clightning,
+    "final": final,
 }
 
 run_tests(extra_tests)
diff --git a/test/test.nix b/test/test.nix
index 640820c..fa7c64c 100644
--- a/test/test.nix
+++ b/test/test.nix
@@ -33,8 +33,10 @@ import ./make-test.nix rec {
     services.nanopos.enable = true;
 
     services.lnd.enable = true;
-    systemd.services.lnd.wantedBy = mkForce [];
+    services.lnd.listenPort = 9736;
     services.lightning-loop.enable = true;
+    # needed because we must control when lightning-loop starts so it doesn't
+    # fail before we run commands in the nb-lightning-loop netns
     systemd.services.lightning-loop.wantedBy = mkForce [];
 
     services.electrs.enable = true;